wayne lapierre seems the angry side of gun rights and threatening. it's amazing to me these are the two figures that have emerged in this back and forth. but -- >> what do you have, deep pockets on both sides. you have mayor bloomberg -- >> he who has the money. >> of course. mayor bloomberg, a billionaire and can spend this money. takes a $1 salary from new york, not why he is mayor of new york, for the money. >> right. >> and wayne lapierre has been involved in this fight for a while. and now he has an adversary with deep pockets and needs to push back. >> right. in a way, it's kind of raising wayne lapierre's profile, if anything. and the nra's profile. so we know from the senate bill last week they have jettisoned the assault weapons ban and bans on high-capacity magazines, which really puts all the eggs -- making my easter reference, all the eggs in the background checks basket. let me play something that tom coburn, republican senator from oklahoma, said over oh the weekend on c-span, talking about where they are in background checks. >> they'r